Difference between revisions of "Talk:Tutorial:First Steps"

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Nuclear Reactor[edit]

Please let's not put stuff about Nuclear Reactors in a "First Steps" tutorial. --Trifler 00:57, 3 November 2011 (CET)

Raw Materials[edit]

Here is a list of the total materials needed to possess one of everything on this tutorial, for those (like me) that would like to go out, collect a ton of materials, and then just sit and industrialize in one shot, based on the page as of 12-29-2011.

59 Coal

40 Cobblestone

238 Copper Dust

12 Diamond

7 Dirt

3 Flint

30 Glowstone Dust

227 Iron Dust

18 Lapis Lazuli

199 Redstone

235 Rubber

11 Sand

4 Seeds

130.75 Tin Dust

4 Water Bucket

65 Wooden Planks

NOTES:

Most of the copper is used in making copper wires. Since it takes 3 copper to make 6 cables, there may be slightly more copper required to fulfill the recipe, and thus, a leftover wire or two.
Some recipes require empty cells. Since it takes 4 tin to make 16 empty cells, there may be slightly more tin required to fulfill the recipe, and thus, a few leftover cells.
All diamonds can be replaced by Industrial Diamonds at the cost of 64 coal, 4 clay, and 8 flint apiece. To replace all diamonds, the total required materials are 768 coal, 48 clay, and 96 flint.
No energy or fuel costs are taken into account for any of this production.
Dusts are listed instead of ingots due to use of bronze ingots, which must be smelted from bronze dust.
All these numbers were done by hand (I have way too much time on my hands) and as such may not be 100% error-proof.
Bronze armor has been excluded.

--Kmartinator 18:07, 29 December 2011 (CET)

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-== Unsigned comment ==
-'''The tutorial doesn't mention wiring, I ended up blowing up all my machines because I was unaware that I should start using different cables. I think this should be improved/fixed, perhaps a link to the wiring guide first?'''
-: This tutorial was intended to be about "First Steps" and everything before where it says "Second Steps" only needs copper wiring, but people have added and added and added despite prodding not to. Basically IMO from where it says "Second Steps" it should probably be a separate guide. Everything before that uses Insulated Copper cable. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] 08:10, 30 December 2011 (CET)
-== Deletion of old Tutorial ==
-Wow...
-First, I disagree with your decision to simply delete the old tutorial.
-Second, I disagree with even mentioning that IC2 works well with existing worlds, especially in a tutorial.
-Third, when you tell people to go mining, you should make your list of Copper, Iron, Rubber, etc. include the ingredients necessary for the Generator, as the Extractor is completely useless without it and they'll have to go back out to mine again based on your current list.
-- I also recommend not having the tutorial reader use a cable to connect the Generator to the Extractor. Just place them side-by-side.<br>
-- Don't mention Industrial Diamonds in a tutorial.<br>
-- It would be good to change it up so that the tutorial recommends upgrading the Furnace to an Iron Furnace right up near the top, then has the player make a Macerator (Resin seems much easier to collect in 1.15 than in 1.00), and then convert the Iron Furnace into a Generator. Use the now functional Macerator to build a new Iron Furnace, then make an Extractor, and possibly continue on to an Electric Furnace. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] 11:53, 13 October 2011 (CEST)
-{{Reply|user=Feanturi|agree=Agree to Trifler|space=:|reply=I totally agree Trifler and btw you are not allowed to create pages/your own userpage, because many ppl would just screw up with pages. so they have to ask for get a page created. And if you don't like the layout or functions of this wiki: you are free to never visit this page again.}}
-:I don't want to involve myself in whatever drama is going on; I just want to point out that Extractors can be used without a Generator.  They can be run using Redstone as fuel, so building one first is quite valid.<br/>&mdash;[[User:0x517A5D|0x517A5D]] 22:27, 13 October 2011 (CEST)
-:: * Hmm good point I forgot about that. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] 04:46, 14 October 2011 (CEST)
-----
-Really? ''Really?''
-'''I disagree with your decision to simply delete the old tutorial.'''
-:I decided to write a new version of the tutorial when I discovered this mod, ''tried to follow that tutorial'', and got hopelessly lost in its disorganization and bad wording. None of the images in that article should be there, A) we don't need to see some random person's "pretty house" to learn how to make machines, B) those screenshots are using a custom texture pack, which is confusing and misrepresents the mod, C) the article '''insults the reader''' near the bottom. I admit it's a bit rude to just overwrite it, but you've gotta be kidding me if you honestly don't think it needs some work. <font color="#FFFFFF">(And about crediting the tutorials to single users on the download page, that's appropriate if the links are to user subpages (if you even want to open that can of worms), or if they're offsite, but right now it doesn't make sense in context.)</font>
-'''I disagree with even mentioning that IC2 works well with existing worlds, especially in a tutorial.'''
-:I never said it "worked well" with existing worlds, please don't put words in my mouth. I said it was ''possible'' to use IC² with an existing world, and that '''if''' you wanted to do so, you needed to take precautions to avoid ruining your world in vanilla. That's more than enough warning, in my opinion.
-'''Third, when you tell people to go mining, [...] they'll have to go back out to mine again based on your current list.'''
-:You make a good point here. Listing what people need is a naive approach. I think it should either be removed entirely (so readers can figure out their own requirements based on what they want to make) or each section should have all the necessary materials totaled up and prepended to it.
-'''Don't mention Industrial Diamonds in a tutorial.'''
-:...So does the old one.
-:: Might remove that then.
-:::Hey if you reply to multiple places in one edit, don't be afraid to sign twice.
-:::<b style="font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-family: Courier New, Courier, monospace;">[[User:Subignition|-- SubIgnition]] <i style="font-style: normal; font-size: 8pt">[[User_talk:Subignition|(talk)]]</i></b> 07:25, 15 October 2011 (CEST)
-Feanturi:
-'''you are not allowed to create pages/your own userpage, because many ppl would just screw up with pages. so they have to ask for get a page created.'''
-:I can understand people probably spam on user pages, but they are very useful, people who want to experiment with formatting, templates or revisions can do so on sub pages and stuff. Admins may be the only ones capable of deleting pages outright, but editors share the responsibility of policing content.
-'''And if you don't like the layout or functions of this wiki: you are free to never visit this page again.'''
-:You seem to be painting me as a bad guy here. I wouldn't have registered an account if I didn't want to help, and moreover, my expressing discontent for lack of (relatively) helpful features shouldn't be taken personally. Citations and external links look a lot cleaner if they're consolidated as a references section. Same with <nowiki><math></nowiki> even though it wouldn't get used nearly as much.
-What you're doing and what you want to do seem like they're two different things. MediaWiki is for consensus, community and collaboration! If this site is intended to be simply a reference, or rigid documentation produced solely by the author(s), there are probably better choices of software to support it. <b style="font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-family: Courier New, Courier, monospace;">[[User:Subignition|-- SubIgnition]] <i style="font-style: normal; font-size: 8pt">[[User_talk:Subignition|(talk)]]</i></b> 19:26, 14 October 2011 (CEST)
-: I think you're missing the point. A lot of people who came before you (and me) worked on that tutorial. Now, I agree it needs a lot of work. Maybe a complete re-write would be a good thing, BUT I think it's either better to redo sections of the existing tutorial a little at a time (so people can review, etc.) or add your tutorial as an additional tutorial. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] 23:02, 14 October 2011 (CEST)
-::Okay. I understand the sentiment. In lieu of a subpage, I am going to copy the revision I authored to my userpage, and then it can be discussed and revised from my talk page. I'll add a non-intrusive link to the top of the current page as well, so visitors can compare the two.
-::<b style="font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-family: Courier New, Courier, monospace;">[[User:Subignition|-- SubIgnition]] <i style="font-style: normal; font-size: 8pt">[[User_talk:Subignition|(talk)]]</i></b> 07:25, 15 October 2011 (CEST)
 == Nuclear Reactor ==
 Please let's not put stuff about Nuclear Reactors in a "First Steps" tutorial. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] 00:57, 3 November 2011 (CET)
-== my 2 bits ==
-:first off it is stated that it is useing a tex pack at the top, soartex
-:second texpacks dont modify mod textures unless they are build to do it and soartex isnt
-:third i agree with not stating nuclear reactor unless its being used to show thats there is a tonne more to this mod
-:fourth i do beleve that the extractor should be made first to make the wires cheaper and faster to make
-:fifth the wire to the macerator and extractor is a good idea for expansion because the gen may defult to the extractor imstead of the wire
-:otherwise the rest is fine with me
-:btw it would have been better if you listed the problems instead of making a deal out of it
-:and ask to fix it instead of complaining
-:p.s i am not aiming to insult anyone with my above opinions
---Zulu 217 07:57, 5 November 2011 (CET)
-== Arrangement (Generator - Battery - Iron Furnace) ==
-Suggesting the arrangement of these to be changed to iron furnace - battery - generator, then electric furnace afterwards as it is now. It just seems really odd that you get the generator recipe and are recommended to use the iron furnace for it. Then you don't know how to make an iron furnace or battery yet, it leads to scrolling up and down over and over. Granted, its not a huge problem, just a possible improvement.
-I'd do it, but i feel bad altering huge amounts of the tutorial and rearranging things without permission, it's not exactly a minor edit (sorry if that seems stupid, new to wiki-editing). --[[User:Antaios|Antaios]] 08:32, 8 December 2011 (CET)
-This was from before the recipe for the Iron Furnace was changed. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] 08:10, 30 December 2011 (CET)
-Ok, I just finished spending 2-3 hours breaking everything under "First Steps" into neat little sections by machine. I added a section for the Iron Furnace on top and removed it from the Electro Furnace section. I also added a list of resources you need for each section, with the assumption you're doing everything in the order listed. I think it looks a lot better now and is easier to read. For the Generator I made sure the batteries were made first instead of last. Hopefully this satisfies all of your concerns. --[[User:Trifler|Trifler]] 12:05, 30 December 2011 (CET)
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