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Jonius7 at 22:02, 25 June 2015

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	== Very outdated, no loss of EU over distance, voltages don't explode machines ==		= Very outdated, no loss of EU over distance, voltages don't explode machines =
	Assuming we are to update the information to the latest experimental editions this page is hopelessly outdated. I tested yesterday, a Solar Panel connected to Uninsulated Tin cable over 50+ blocks was still outputting 1EU/t, full strength. Then testing a full MFSU powering multiple machines over Uninsulated Tin, definitely went over 32EU/t on the wires, is it even possible to explode machines now? May need to test more.		Assuming we are to update the information to the latest experimental editions this page is hopelessly outdated. I tested yesterday, a Solar Panel connected to Uninsulated Tin cable over 50+ blocks was still outputting 1EU/t, full strength. Then testing a full MFSU powering multiple machines over Uninsulated Tin, definitely went over 32EU/t on the wires, is it even possible to explode machines now? May need to test more.
			[[User:Jonius7\|Jonius7]] ([[User talk:Jonius7\|talk]]) 00:02, 26 June 2015 (CEST)

Jonius7: update this!!!

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update this!!!

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	~~El antes y después de las impresoras~~		== Very outdated, no loss of EU over distance, voltages don't explode machines ==
	~~¿Qué es y para qué sirve una impresora 3D?~~		Assuming we are to update the information to the latest experimental editions this page is hopelessly outdated. I tested yesterday, a Solar Panel connected to Uninsulated Tin cable over 50+ blocks was still outputting 1EU/t, full strength. Then testing a full MFSU powering multiple machines over Uninsulated Tin, definitely went over 32EU/t on the wires, is it even possible to explode machines now? May need to test more.
	~~Vamos a empezar por el principio: a día de hoy la impresión 3D no es todavía un fenómeno masivo en el ámbito doméstico~~, ~~o como mínimo podríamos decir que~~ no ~~ha llegado a convertirse en un objeto cotidiano en el hogar~~, ~~como sí lo son las impresoras de tinta convencionales. Mucha gente desconoce los conceptos fundamentales de la impresión 3D y por ello vamos a intentar resumirlos brevemente en este post.~~
	Una impresora 3D es un dispositivo capaz de generar un objeto sólido tridimensional mediante (y ahí radica la principal diferencia con los sistemas de producción tradicionales) la adición de material. ~~Los métodos de producción tradicionales son sustractivos, es decir~~, ~~generan formas~~ a ~~partir de la eliminación de exceso de material. Las [http:~~/~~/www.ecuatecnology~~.~~com impresoras] 3D se basan en modelos 3D para definir qué se va~~ a ~~imprimir. Un modelo no es si no la representación digital de lo que vamos a imprimir mediante algún software de modelado. Por dar un ejemplo de lo anterior~~, ~~con una impresora 3D podríamos generar una cuchara~~, o cualquier otro objeto que podamos imaginar, usando tan solo la cantidad estrictamente necesaria de material, y para hacerlo deberemos tener la representación del objeto en un formato de modelo 3D reconocible para la impresora.
	~~Saludos~~
	~~Ruben Celedon~~

Ecuatech: Vamos a empezar por el principio: a día de hoy la impresión 3D no es todavía un fenómeno masivo en el ámbito doméstico

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Vamos a empezar por el principio: a día de hoy la impresión 3D no es todavía un fenómeno masivo en el ámbito doméstico

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			== "added by tomahawk232" -moved by zulu_217 ==



			<spoiler>
			This is info I gathered from IC2. As Far as I know, the info here hasn't changed much, except copper cables are thinner. I wanted to put down IC2 info to help this page update.

			Transformers are special, they downgrade your voltage so you can use a mfe or mfsu to your power. Unlike the units (mfe), tramsformers have 5 output sides and 1 input side. the wrench changes the input direction of the transformer, and the direction transformers should be pointing is towards the cable inputting energy. Transformers don't modify the voltage to a certain level, they reduce the voltage level ONLY( a Medium Voltage(MV) transformer changes High voltage(HV) to MV). So you cannot use a MV transformer to make low voltage(LV) into MV. You have to downgrade the voltage, as in you have to turn HV into MV before you turn MV into LV. The wiring and machines using power will blow up if you try to skip the MV transformer and go straight from high to low.

			For solar flowers, you can make them bigger, but you must keep in mind, copper only transfers 32 EU/t, so if you make a giant array of only copper and bat boxes, you WILL lose energy guarenteed. Also, Bigger solar panel arrays are resource intensive, so making a big array early on can be a waste of effort, since you need so much iron, I would wait untill you have a good pile before starting construction. A nuclear device can also be alot cheaper comparitively. But, this makes power daily, and when set up right, can fill up an mfsu within 2 days operation. Thats more power than your machines need, except for the tesla, teleport, teraformer, or mass fabricator. 1 day is usually enough to keep a wall of machines running day and night. And you dont need constant maintenance from the nuclear reactor.

			This solar flower is my design, but the solar flower idea isn't mine, just the bigger 1, and im not 100% sure if it is price effective. But i dont waste any powered gained through this array.
			You could also make the whole thing of iron cables and mfsu's, but that would be wasteful because if you have the resources to make such a grid, would you really need the grid in the 1st place?
			What I do is have 1 mfsu in the center, since it holds, gains, and shoots the most energy of all storage units. surround it with iron cable, since this will be the area with the most need 4 power. Make the iron around in a + just as the flower is made, and at each end, I would place an mfe outputting towards the center. Mfsu's here would be wasteful, since the main mfsu can only accept 512EU/t, meaning of the 4 cables(each carrying 512EU/t) only 1 cable's worth(512) would be accepted, the other 3 are wasted here. After you placed the mfe's, gold cable should be coming out each side of each mfe, since the mfe accepts 128, iron is a waste, and copper is too wasteful. After the cable, comes bat boxes on each gold cable, with copper going out from each direction of each bat box, except up or down. Now, the reason I downgrade with HV in the middle and LV from the outer rim is because the power flows inward toward the mfsu, and at the outer rim, there isn't much energy at 1st. the energy is collected at the bat boxes, then the energy is sent inward. As it goes inward, more panels are joining the flow, so there has to be more space(in the cable) then the storage unit is pumping out.

			Lastly, instead of using fibre cables, I put down cable from the main storage unit, then a storage unit every 3rd or 4th spot, for multiple reasons. 1st, the energy lost every 5th cable isn't lost since there isn't a 4th cable, and the storage units act as an extension of the main base power, since it can be stored in the transport line. Just beware the power conversions, they get real tricky at times, and if you use a mfsu, remember you must use a transformer to change the voltage, HV, to MV BEFORE changing it to LV if your planning on powering your base. Because most machines run on LV.
			</spoiler>
			personally i think this is mostly a load(no offence)
			zulu_217
			first and formost transformers dont need to be set up to transform up you just need a wire going to the storage e.g
			batbox->lv transformer transforming up->mfe = bad (waste of resources)
			batbox-> mfe = good still works.
			and a assortment of other things are wrong here.

Zulu 217 at 14:31, 10 November 2011

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	:3. the part about transformer is pritty good (i havent read it entirly jusy skimed it(ill read it in the morning))but the part i did read was good and a worthy addition to the tut.		:3. the part about transformer is pritty good (i havent read it entirly jusy skimed it(ill read it in the morning))but the part i did read was good and a worthy addition to the tut.
			edit i take it back partly transformers dont need to upgrade but can be setup to ugprade with redstone current in the form of a adjacent redtorch/lever/button(pritty useless with this it needs to say powered(redstone) not toggled on) and it will transform up without the need of expesive mfsu and mfes.

	:4.) (<-looks like a witches face) well ther isnt a four im just bored :/		:4.) (<-looks like a witches face) well ther isnt a four im just bored :/

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tomahawk232's addition: new section

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	<i style="font-style: normal; font-size: 8pt">--[[User:Tomahawk232\|Tomahawk232]] 06:01, 9 November 2011 (CEST)</i>		<i style="font-style: normal; font-size: 8pt">--[[User:Tomahawk232\|Tomahawk232]] 06:01, 9 November 2011 (CEST)</i>

			== tomahawk232's addition ==

			i know i haven't done a lot of work on this i am still going to do it i just send too much time on minecraft instead of the tutorial i will try to finish by ether saturday or sunday

			:2. some of your additions sound a little wrong like wires burn out if toomuch eu/t is pushed through them not limit.
			e.g i have a mfe->transformer(lv)->battbox connected with copper. the copperwire between the mfe and transformer turns to smoke while the wire between the transformer and battbox is fine

			:3. the part about transformer is pritty good (i havent read it entirly jusy skimed it(ill read it in the morning))but the part i did read was good and a worthy addition to the tut.

			:4.) (<-looks like a witches face) well ther isnt a four im just bored :/

Feanturi at 11:04, 9 November 2011

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	Lastly, Machines that are set up on the same cables will have to share the power brought through the cable. For example, copper brings in 32 energy, and you have 4 machines set up. The 1st machine takes 7 power, the 2nd takes 8, the 3rd takes 9, and the 4th takes 10. After the 1st, there's 25 power left, after the 2nd there's 17, after the 2rd there's 8, which doesn't leave enough for the 4th. adding a 2nd energy box on the other end would fix this, but beware the price of each machine.		Lastly, Machines that are set up on the same cables will have to share the power brought through the cable. For example, copper brings in 32 energy, and you have 4 machines set up. The 1st machine takes 7 power, the 2nd takes 8, the 3rd takes 9, and the 4th takes 10. After the 1st, there's 25 power left, after the 2nd there's 17, after the 2rd there's 8, which doesn't leave enough for the 4th. adding a 2nd energy box on the other end would fix this, but beware the price of each machine.
	--[[User:Tomahawk232\|Tomahawk232]] 06:01, 9 November 2011 (CEST)
			<i style="font-style: normal; font-size: 8pt">--[[User:Tomahawk232\|Tomahawk232]] 06:01, 9 November 2011 (CEST)</i>

Feanturi at 11:04, 9 November 2011

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			== Wiring2 ==

			I was sad when I discovered there was no wiring guide when ID2 came out, so Here's one based on my experimenting. Parts may be wrong, but this is all tested info.

			Basic wiring requires an energy source (generator, solar panel, etc.), a storage unit (a batbox, a mfe, or a msu), wiring based on the storage unit (batbox=low=32, mfe=medium=128,
			msu=high=512), and the machine(s) you are wiring. Cables lose power after a distance, so the most effective way (or my prefered way) to construct any solar generator set-ups is in "solar flowers".

			1. place a storage unit at the center of where your making this flower. 2. Using a wrench, you can change the direction the storage unit is taking and delivering energy, so you should dig under the storage unit, and right click it to change the output direction downward, so you can have the input from the the 4 sides and the top, since solar generators need to "see" the sun to get power, they cant be placed under each other. Place up to 4 copper wires out each direction, because after the energy paces 5 cables, 1 energy is lost (assuming the cable is insolated and is copper). This should make a straight line out each side. 3. place 1 cable on each side of the 3rd cableso each row of cables makes a lowercase "t". 4. place the solar panels around the outer side, always touching the cables. If done right, this should now resemble a diagonal square. 5. put generators on top of the cables, to make the most use of the cable space. Lastly, a cable on top of the storage unit allows you to add another solar generator on top of it. 6. Now you need to connect the storage unit to the power in your house. You can use cable to take it to your house, but I would put some storage units every 4 cables to prevent the 5th from losing power. 7. Be aware of the voltage you provide to your home. Most machines require low voltage, and they don't require a constant 32 energy for each tick, they each gulp around 1,2, or 5 energy per tick, but they need a certain amount per function, such as 128 energy to burn something in the electric furnace (not the actual amount, just an example). If you send medium or high voltage power into a machine which requires lower voltage will make the machine and some wiring blow up.

			More general tips

			The wrench, which is used up after its destroyed, or the electric wrench, which can be recharged at a storage unit, is used to mess with machines in a few ways. It will remove most machines you right click with it, which is better than destroying it cause if you just destroy it instead of remove it, then the machine is destroyed in the process. The other use is it will change the direction of the output for storage units.

			The storage units have 1 output slot, the side with the dots, and 5 input slots, where you put the cable to insert energy. Using a wrench on the storage unit does 1 of 2 things, either it will move the output slot to the side you click, or it will remove the machine if you click the output slot. So if you click the storage unit, and it gets reverted into an item, you clicked the output slot.

			Different cables hold different amounts of voltage, copper is best for low, gold for medium, and iron for high. However, if your power generators, such as solar panels, are far away from your house, glass fibre cable is best. The higher cables can hold the power from the lower cables, but once the power is higher then the levels (32=low, 128=med 512=high) it is considered the next level up (33=med, 129=high).

			When using transformers to change the voltage, it can be frustrating to figure out how they work. You dont need transformers if your combining cables to increase the power inside them, like making a T intersection, but you need transformers to downgrade the energy. You lose the energy is being downgraded. Like storage blocks, using a wrench on transformers will change the input/output directions of the transformer. Unlike storage units, the transformers have 1 input and 5 outputs, and the wrench changes the input.

			If you decide to skip transformers, and plug a mfe into a low voltage machine, the wiring and machine will blow up, because there was too much power being brought through. You also cannot get away with just having a copper cable cable coming out, because it can overload too.

			Use sand, dirt, or something easy to break, and make some maintenance passages, because I can almost destroy my computer for the amount of coals I burned re walling my place after editing the cable system, adding new lines, new machines, and so on. Tunnels will save alot of time, effort, and resources in the long run.

			Because you lose energy over long distances, and fibre cable takes diamonds, I prefer to makes a long system of bat boxes after every 4th cable. The boxes will allow more energy to be held in the system, and you don't lose that 1 energy every 5th cable. But this requires a lot of iron, so if you just want to use the diamond and get the cabling over with...

			Lastly, Machines that are set up on the same cables will have to share the power brought through the cable. For example, copper brings in 32 energy, and you have 4 machines set up. The 1st machine takes 7 power, the 2nd takes 8, the 3rd takes 9, and the 4th takes 10. After the 1st, there's 25 power left, after the 2nd there's 17, after the 2rd there's 8, which doesn't leave enough for the 4th. adding a 2nd energy box on the other end would fix this, but beware the price of each machine.
			--[[User:Tomahawk232\|Tomahawk232]] 06:01, 9 November 2011 (CEST)

Feanturi at 11:16, 21 October 2011

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	i will start the laborious task of updating it to the 21st century. but how would i incorporate pictures into it without linking to a external server?(basicly how to upload a pic)		i will start the laborious task of updating it to the 21st century. but how would i incorporate pictures into it without linking to a external server?(basicly how to upload a pic)
	and i can work the rest out.		and i can work the rest out.
	one more thing what type of wire shuld i use? copper is a good choice but others work better but are too expestive to use in a tutorial so ill stick to copper and i will try to reproduce the images in a similar fashion to the original and i think the original tutorial should be copyed to a new page named "Industrial Craft(original) tutorial" <font size="1">-- ~~the previous unsigned comment was added~~ by [[User:Zulu 217\|Zulu 217]] [[User_talk:Zulu_217\|(talk)]]</font>		one more thing what type of wire shuld i use? copper is a good choice but others work better but are too expestive to use in a tutorial so ill stick to copper and i will try to reproduce the images in a similar fashion to the original and i think the original tutorial should be copyed to a new page named "Industrial Craft(original) tutorial" <font size="1">-- by [[User:Zulu 217\|Zulu 217]] [[User_talk:Zulu_217\|(talk)]]</font>
	:The page used for uploading is [[Special:Upload\|here]], but users don't have upload permissions by default. You can't -embed- external images due to security concerns but you can link to them: <nowiki>[http://someurl.com/image.jpg Link Description]</nowiki>		:The page used for uploading is [[Special:Upload\|here]], but users don't have upload permissions by default. You can't -embed- external images due to security concerns but you can link to them: <nowiki>[http://someurl.com/image.jpg Link Description]</nowiki>
	:Also, refer to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup English Wikipedia's markup guide] for some editing basics.		:Also, refer to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup English Wikipedia's markup guide] for some editing basics.
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Subignition: response

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	and i can work the rest out.		and i can work the rest out.
	one more thing what type of wire shuld i use? copper is a good choice but others work better but are too expestive to use in a tutorial so ill stick to copper and i will try to reproduce the images in a similar fashion to the original and i think the original tutorial should be copyed to a new page named "Industrial Craft(original) tutorial" <font size="1">-- the previous unsigned comment was added by [[User:Zulu 217\|Zulu 217]] [[User_talk:Zulu_217\|(talk)]]</font>		one more thing what type of wire shuld i use? copper is a good choice but others work better but are too expestive to use in a tutorial so ill stick to copper and i will try to reproduce the images in a similar fashion to the original and i think the original tutorial should be copyed to a new page named "Industrial Craft(original) tutorial" <font size="1">-- the previous unsigned comment was added by [[User:Zulu 217\|Zulu 217]] [[User_talk:Zulu_217\|(talk)]]</font>
			:The page used for uploading is [[Special:Upload\|here]], but users don't have upload permissions by default. You can't -embed- external images due to security concerns but you can link to them: <nowiki>[http://someurl.com/image.jpg Link Description]</nowiki>
			:Also, refer to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Wiki_markup English Wikipedia's markup guide] for some editing basics.
			:<b style="font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal; font-family: Courier New, Courier, monospace;">[[User:Subignition\|-- SubIgnition]] <i style="font-style: normal; font-size: 8pt">[[User_talk:Subignition\|(talk)]]</i></b> 12:44, 21 October 2011 (CEST)