Talk:Cable - Revision history

Xirema: /* EU splitting order of operations */

2012-08-27T21:20:15Z

EU splitting order of operations

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	I'm working with unequal branches right now, and I'm pretty lost. - flyingcow93g		I'm working with unequal branches right now, and I'm pretty lost. - flyingcow93g

			* It's very likely that this system has changed. The changelog for 1.103 indicates that one of the changes is "Improved energy network handling of multiple destinations". --[[User:Xirema\|Xirema]] 21:20, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

	== Update the Voltage Efficiency table ==		== Update the Voltage Efficiency table ==

Xirema: /* Electrocution */

2012-08-27T21:18:41Z

Electrocution

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	Is the damage from touching an uninsulated wire the same regardless of the type of cable or the amount of current running through it? For instance, is a HV Cable more damaging than a Gold Cable, which in turn is more damaging than a Copper Cable? --[[User:Trifler\|Trifler]] 15:24, 3 October 2011 (CEST)		Is the damage from touching an uninsulated wire the same regardless of the type of cable or the amount of current running through it? For instance, is a HV Cable more damaging than a Gold Cable, which in turn is more damaging than a Copper Cable? --[[User:Trifler\|Trifler]] 15:24, 3 October 2011 (CEST)
			* It's based on the voltage of current passing through. Iron cable won't inherently be more dangerous than copper or gold, but its higher voltage capacity means that under normal use, it will be more dangerous. --[[User:Xirema\|Xirema]] 21:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

	== EU splitting order of operations ==		== EU splitting order of operations ==

Xirema: /* Will probably delete the Voltage Efficiency Table */

2012-08-27T21:17:18Z

Will probably delete the Voltage Efficiency Table

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	== Will probably delete the Voltage Efficiency Table ==		== Will probably delete the Voltage Efficiency Table ==

	I'd like to replace it with something that contains useful information, but as it stands, while the data contained is impressive mathematics, none of it is actually useful (or reflective of the conditions that normally occur in-game.		I'd like to replace it with something that contains useful information, but as it stands, while the data contained is impressive mathematics, none of it is actually useful (or reflective of the conditions that normally occur in-game. [[User:Xirema\|Xirema]] 21:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Xirema: /* Will probably delete the Voltage Efficiency Table */ new section

2012-08-27T21:16:30Z

Will probably delete the Voltage Efficiency Table: new section

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	I don't really understand how the values in this table are calculated. It should be updated with the new values of [[Glass Fibre Cable]] not to cause confusion. --[[User:Tempelchat\|Tempelchat]] 20:31, 3 December 2011 (CET)		I don't really understand how the values in this table are calculated. It should be updated with the new values of [[Glass Fibre Cable]] not to cause confusion. --[[User:Tempelchat\|Tempelchat]] 20:31, 3 December 2011 (CET)

			== Will probably delete the Voltage Efficiency Table ==

			I'd like to replace it with something that contains useful information, but as it stands, while the data contained is impressive mathematics, none of it is actually useful (or reflective of the conditions that normally occur in-game.

Flyingcow93g at 03:54, 6 April 2012

2012-04-06T03:54:34Z

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	for example, if your source is 512EU and you have a split of two, each branch will get 512/2 EU, or 256. When a third split is introduced, 512/3 gives a decimal. The decimal seems to always be rounded down. So in this case, each branch gives off 170EU and the source looses 1 EU so that 170*3=Source, or 511. When a fourth branch is introduced, 512/4 is an even number and thus no rounding takes place. Each branch receives 128EU.		for example, if your source is 512EU and you have a split of two, each branch will get 512/2 EU, or 256. When a third split is introduced, 512/3 gives a decimal. The decimal seems to always be rounded down. So in this case, each branch gives off 170EU and the source looses 1 EU so that 170*3=Source, or 511. When a fourth branch is introduced, 512/4 is an even number and thus no rounding takes place. Each branch receives 128EU.

	I'm working with unequal branches right now, and I'm pretty lost.		I'm working with unequal branches right now, and I'm pretty lost. - flyingcow93g

	== Update the Voltage Efficiency table ==		== Update the Voltage Efficiency table ==

	I don't really understand how the values in this table are calculated. It should be updated with the new values of [[Glass Fibre Cable]] not to cause confusion. --[[User:Tempelchat\|Tempelchat]] 20:31, 3 December 2011 (CET)		I don't really understand how the values in this table are calculated. It should be updated with the new values of [[Glass Fibre Cable]] not to cause confusion. --[[User:Tempelchat\|Tempelchat]] 20:31, 3 December 2011 (CET)

Flyingcow93g at 03:54, 6 April 2012

2012-04-06T03:54:14Z

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	If anyone has reason to believe that this is a moot point, please clarify your opinion, otherwise any information on the subject would be excellent.		If anyone has reason to believe that this is a moot point, please clarify your opinion, otherwise any information on the subject would be excellent.
	--[[User:RedstoneCowboy\|RedstoneCowboy]] 16:04, 12 October 2011 (CEST)		--[[User:RedstoneCowboy\|RedstoneCowboy]] 16:04, 12 October 2011 (CEST)

			I've been trying to find out more about this. I managed to figure out how it works when the split is equal distances. the current to each branch is equal to:

			floor(source/number of branches)

			for example, if your source is 512EU and you have a split of two, each branch will get 512/2 EU, or 256. When a third split is introduced, 512/3 gives a decimal. The decimal seems to always be rounded down. So in this case, each branch gives off 170EU and the source looses 1 EU so that 170*3=Source, or 511. When a fourth branch is introduced, 512/4 is an even number and thus no rounding takes place. Each branch receives 128EU.

			I'm working with unequal branches right now, and I'm pretty lost.

	== Update the Voltage Efficiency table ==		== Update the Voltage Efficiency table ==

	I don't really understand how the values in this table are calculated. It should be updated with the new values of [[Glass Fibre Cable]] not to cause confusion. --[[User:Tempelchat\|Tempelchat]] 20:31, 3 December 2011 (CET)		I don't really understand how the values in this table are calculated. It should be updated with the new values of [[Glass Fibre Cable]] not to cause confusion. --[[User:Tempelchat\|Tempelchat]] 20:31, 3 December 2011 (CET)

Tempelchat: /* Update the Voltage Efficiency table */ new section

2011-12-03T19:31:01Z

Update the Voltage Efficiency table: new section

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	If anyone has reason to believe that this is a moot point, please clarify your opinion, otherwise any information on the subject would be excellent.		If anyone has reason to believe that this is a moot point, please clarify your opinion, otherwise any information on the subject would be excellent.
	--[[User:RedstoneCowboy\|RedstoneCowboy]] 16:04, 12 October 2011 (CEST)		--[[User:RedstoneCowboy\|RedstoneCowboy]] 16:04, 12 October 2011 (CEST)

			== Update the Voltage Efficiency table ==

			I don't really understand how the values in this table are calculated. It should be updated with the new values of [[Glass Fibre Cable]] not to cause confusion. --[[User:Tempelchat\|Tempelchat]] 20:31, 3 December 2011 (CET)

RedstoneCowboy: Added sig

2011-10-12T22:04:55Z

Added sig

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	If anyone has reason to believe that this is a moot point, please clarify your opinion, otherwise any information on the subject would be excellent.		If anyone has reason to believe that this is a moot point, please clarify your opinion, otherwise any information on the subject would be excellent.
			--[[User:RedstoneCowboy\|RedstoneCowboy]] 16:04, 12 October 2011 (CEST)

RedstoneCowboy at 22:02, 12 October 2011

2011-10-12T22:02:43Z

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	Is the damage from touching an uninsulated wire the same regardless of the type of cable or the amount of current running through it? For instance, is a HV Cable more damaging than a Gold Cable, which in turn is more damaging than a Copper Cable? --[[User:Trifler\|Trifler]] 15:24, 3 October 2011 (CEST)		Is the damage from touching an uninsulated wire the same regardless of the type of cable or the amount of current running through it? For instance, is a HV Cable more damaging than a Gold Cable, which in turn is more damaging than a Copper Cable? --[[User:Trifler\|Trifler]] 15:24, 3 October 2011 (CEST)

			== EU splitting order of operations ==

			A discussion is in order to determine (or maybe the devs can just outright say) how exactly the path is chosen that EUs will travel, since I'd imagine on a certain level there is a specific order coded into IC that controls how current decides which path to travel given a split in the cable, with all things being equal. For example, consider 3 devices all equidistantly connected to a planar cable intersection, with the 4th sourcing power, forming a "plus sign"; how is power split (if at all), and in what order? I would assume the algorithm favors a certain direction, relative or otherwise, similar to the N/S redstone "bug" in vanilla MC (not familiar enough with MC source to say if this is necessarily analogous, but it feels like it would arise from similar circumstances).

			Knowledge of this would allow people to build circuits while not only being aware of any quirks in EU behavior, but also potentially taking advantage of such. An example would be a player being able to design a priority-based powering scheme that uses said technical knowledge to ensure 1 branch will always become saturated before another receives any power, in the face of current draw that exceeds what the source cable can provide, while relying on an intimate understanding of EU distribution rules instead of methods currently employed, if any!

			I am fairly new to IC so I don't know if this is done currently via any method like purposefully lengthening lower priority branches from the split, or by using capacitive machinery along the path, etc.

			If anyone has reason to believe that this is a moot point, please clarify your opinion, otherwise any information on the subject would be excellent.

Trifler: Added question about whether cable type and/or current affects damage from touching an uninsulated cable

2011-10-03T13:24:17Z

Added question about whether cable type and/or current affects damage from touching an uninsulated cable

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	--[[User:Altaree\|Altaree]] 19:54, 13 June 2011 (CEST)		--[[User:Altaree\|Altaree]] 19:54, 13 June 2011 (CEST)

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			== Electrocution ==

			Is the damage from touching an uninsulated wire the same regardless of the type of cable or the amount of current running through it? For instance, is a HV Cable more damaging than a Gold Cable, which in turn is more damaging than a Copper Cable? --[[User:Trifler\|Trifler]] 15:24, 3 October 2011 (CEST)